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		<title>Comment on My Experience with Park Place Motors LTD by Francisco Jelinek</title>
		<link>http://parkplaceproblems.com/?p=5#comment-508</link>
		<author>Francisco Jelinek</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tired of getting low amounts of useless visitors to your website? Well i wish to share with you a brand new underground tactic that produces me personally $900  on a daily basis on 100% AUTOPILOT. I could truthfully be here all day and going into detail but why dont you merely check their site out? There is a excellent video that explains everything. So if your seriously interested in making hassle-free money this is the site for you. &lt;a href="http://tiny.cc/p7mq4" rel="nofollow"&gt;Auto Traffic Avalanche&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tired of getting low amounts of useless visitors to your website? Well i wish to share with you a brand new underground tactic that produces me personally $900  on a daily basis on 100% AUTOPILOT. I could truthfully be here all day and going into detail but why dont you merely check their site out? There is a excellent video that explains everything. So if your seriously interested in making hassle-free money this is the site for you. <a href="http://tiny.cc/p7mq4" rel="nofollow">Auto Traffic Avalanche</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on My Experience with Park Place Motors LTD by Steve</title>
		<link>http://parkplaceproblems.com/?p=5#comment-507</link>
		<author>Steve</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 05:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh... not defending Mr V, whomever that is, but you're clueless about the US educational system.  First off, Canadians go to school about six weeks more per year than the US.  Some provinces even have Grade 13.  Japan, Germany, and others put even more time in.  By the time you're done high school, you've had about half as much school as most other developed nations.  

Do you know how they adjust your college marks when they transfer from a Canadian university to a US school?  They add 1.0.  Sadly, my 3.9 went only to a 4.0 when I transferred down here (that's as high as they'll adjust).

I love America, but the school system here blows.  That's why all my kids are in private school (and why they can read).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh&#8230; not defending Mr V, whomever that is, but you&#8217;re clueless about the US educational system.  First off, Canadians go to school about six weeks more per year than the US.  Some provinces even have Grade 13.  Japan, Germany, and others put even more time in.  By the time you&#8217;re done high school, you&#8217;ve had about half as much school as most other developed nations.  </p>
<p>Do you know how they adjust your college marks when they transfer from a Canadian university to a US school?  They add 1.0.  Sadly, my 3.9 went only to a 4.0 when I transferred down here (that&#8217;s as high as they&#8217;ll adjust).</p>
<p>I love America, but the school system here blows.  That&#8217;s why all my kids are in private school (and why they can read).</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Experience with Park Place Motors LTD by Ian Henderson</title>
		<link>http://parkplaceproblems.com/?p=5#comment-506</link>
		<author>Ian Henderson</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 03:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my dream car is the Ford GT. that car is truly a muscle car with lots of horsepower:,.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my dream car is the Ford GT. that car is truly a muscle car with lots of horsepower:,.</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Experience with Park Place Motors LTD by Marc</title>
		<link>http://parkplaceproblems.com/?p=5#comment-505</link>
		<author>Marc</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 18:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://parkplaceproblems.com/?p=5#comment-505</guid>
		<description>Obviously the people defending Park Place on here are employees. Like "Adam Brodsky". I know who you are and you don't drive a Land Rover OR live in New York. You work at PP. And as far as most of the people that work there...they're complete a**holes. And the GM Mr. "V" walks around like his shit doesn't stink. Well, Mr. Canadian. If you didn't know but, a college degree in Canadia is equal to graduating middle school in America. Eh? Don't look the other way or these people will run off with your money. Just remember that these guys are USED car salesmen. And, to Glenn Hull. I can tell you that the back story behind that GTO is 100% crap. But, I'm sure you figured that by now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously the people defending Park Place on here are employees. Like &#8220;Adam Brodsky&#8221;. I know who you are and you don&#8217;t drive a Land Rover OR live in New York. You work at PP. And as far as most of the people that work there&#8230;they&#8217;re complete a**holes. And the GM Mr. &#8220;V&#8221; walks around like his shit doesn&#8217;t stink. Well, Mr. Canadian. If you didn&#8217;t know but, a college degree in Canadia is equal to graduating middle school in America. Eh? Don&#8217;t look the other way or these people will run off with your money. Just remember that these guys are USED car salesmen. And, to Glenn Hull. I can tell you that the back story behind that GTO is 100% crap. But, I&#8217;m sure you figured that by now.</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Experience with Park Place Motors LTD by Yady</title>
		<link>http://parkplaceproblems.com/?p=5#comment-504</link>
		<author>Yady</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://parkplaceproblems.com/?p=5#comment-504</guid>
		<description>Hi, 
I thought I would post my experience with Park Place.  I have been search for my dream car for a while now and Park Place had the exact car/options I was looking for and my search was finally over.  I started to do my research about both the car and business as I am importing the car to Canada and wanted as much history as possible.

I goggled Park Place and found this website which set of red flashing lights in my brain to avoid giving these guys any of my money after reading some of the post.  But they had the car I had been looking for.....  

I had my convinced myself I was not going to buy this car and started to search again.  But something in the back of my mind kept me going back looking at Park Place's website and this website with most of the post being negative towards Park Place.  My wife wanted to take a trip down to Seattle, so I thought maybe should go and have a look at the car at least and speak to sales guy there.  I made contact with Bryan and had the initial Carfax sent to me and information about Park Place.  He seemed very pleasant and friendly.  He didn’t harass me about getting the car and responded to question quickly and honestly.

The weekend finally came and I called Park Place to make sure car was there and inform them I was coming down to look at.  When I got there was met by Bryan who showed me around the car and took me for a test drive.  The car drove and looked brand new, I was sold. But the images of this website kept coming up.  So I arranged a PPI to be carried out on the car.

When the PPI report came back everything was good except 1 issue that was stored 36 times in the DMU.  I spoke with Park Place and told them that I was no longer interested as the car could possibly have a major fault; the PPI was not able to determine the full extent of the issue and it would have to be taken to the manufacture that could carry out the full tests.  Park Place accepted this and did not give me any hassle.

I got a phone call a few weeks later from Park Place, thanking me for showing interest in the car and were letting me know that they were going to get the manufacture to inspect the issue and would I like to be informed of the results.  A few days later I get a call and was informed that although the car was no longer covered by warrantee, Park Place had persuaded the manufacture to repair the issue as none of warning lights showed there was an issue and also that it may have started whilst the car was still under warrantee, which the manufacture agreed and were going to repair the issue at no cost.

I respected the fact that not once after I turned the car down did Park Place try any sale tricks for me to buy the car even tho it was being fixed by the manufacturer.  They came across very professional and contradict some of the posts above.  Some other commitments have come up and the car search on hold for a short while. I believe if they did manage to find another car I would buy from them or If the car is still available who knows. 

I hope this helps anyone reading this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
I thought I would post my experience with Park Place.  I have been search for my dream car for a while now and Park Place had the exact car/options I was looking for and my search was finally over.  I started to do my research about both the car and business as I am importing the car to Canada and wanted as much history as possible.</p>
<p>I goggled Park Place and found this website which set of red flashing lights in my brain to avoid giving these guys any of my money after reading some of the post.  But they had the car I had been looking for&#8230;..  </p>
<p>I had my convinced myself I was not going to buy this car and started to search again.  But something in the back of my mind kept me going back looking at Park Place&#8217;s website and this website with most of the post being negative towards Park Place.  My wife wanted to take a trip down to Seattle, so I thought maybe should go and have a look at the car at least and speak to sales guy there.  I made contact with Bryan and had the initial Carfax sent to me and information about Park Place.  He seemed very pleasant and friendly.  He didn’t harass me about getting the car and responded to question quickly and honestly.</p>
<p>The weekend finally came and I called Park Place to make sure car was there and inform them I was coming down to look at.  When I got there was met by Bryan who showed me around the car and took me for a test drive.  The car drove and looked brand new, I was sold. But the images of this website kept coming up.  So I arranged a PPI to be carried out on the car.</p>
<p>When the PPI report came back everything was good except 1 issue that was stored 36 times in the DMU.  I spoke with Park Place and told them that I was no longer interested as the car could possibly have a major fault; the PPI was not able to determine the full extent of the issue and it would have to be taken to the manufacture that could carry out the full tests.  Park Place accepted this and did not give me any hassle.</p>
<p>I got a phone call a few weeks later from Park Place, thanking me for showing interest in the car and were letting me know that they were going to get the manufacture to inspect the issue and would I like to be informed of the results.  A few days later I get a call and was informed that although the car was no longer covered by warrantee, Park Place had persuaded the manufacture to repair the issue as none of warning lights showed there was an issue and also that it may have started whilst the car was still under warrantee, which the manufacture agreed and were going to repair the issue at no cost.</p>
<p>I respected the fact that not once after I turned the car down did Park Place try any sale tricks for me to buy the car even tho it was being fixed by the manufacturer.  They came across very professional and contradict some of the posts above.  Some other commitments have come up and the car search on hold for a short while. I believe if they did manage to find another car I would buy from them or If the car is still available who knows. </p>
<p>I hope this helps anyone reading this post.</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Experience with Park Place Motors LTD by Steve</title>
		<link>http://parkplaceproblems.com/?p=5#comment-502</link>
		<author>Steve</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 19:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://parkplaceproblems.com/?p=5#comment-502</guid>
		<description>There are posts above that seem to imply all the Bingham's businesses operate at a loss in order to generate "write offs" and that they inherited their money.  Is that true?  They seem to have generational style money well beyond what that dealership would ever generate.

Anyone know what happened to Scooter?  They told me he was "travelling in Europe", but he's been incognito for a while now.

PS: To Stuey who was ranting about WA schools and the grammar of posters here, your own post "obviated" the need to come up with a rebuttal.  If you don't know what a big word means, using it worse than sticking with the small ones!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are posts above that seem to imply all the Bingham&#8217;s businesses operate at a loss in order to generate &#8220;write offs&#8221; and that they inherited their money.  Is that true?  They seem to have generational style money well beyond what that dealership would ever generate.</p>
<p>Anyone know what happened to Scooter?  They told me he was &#8220;travelling in Europe&#8221;, but he&#8217;s been incognito for a while now.</p>
<p>PS: To Stuey who was ranting about WA schools and the grammar of posters here, your own post &#8220;obviated&#8221; the need to come up with a rebuttal.  If you don&#8217;t know what a big word means, using it worse than sticking with the small ones!</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Experience with Park Place Motors LTD by Bell Matacale</title>
		<link>http://parkplaceproblems.com/?p=5#comment-501</link>
		<author>Bell Matacale</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 23:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://parkplaceproblems.com/?p=5#comment-501</guid>
		<description>wow, awesome blog. Awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, awesome blog. Awesome.</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Experience with Park Place Motors LTD by Glen Hull</title>
		<link>http://parkplaceproblems.com/?p=5#comment-497</link>
		<author>Glen Hull</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 04:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://parkplaceproblems.com/?p=5#comment-497</guid>
		<description>WOW. I thought that I was one of a few people that has had a bad fiancial experience with this business. In March 2007 my brother passed away. I worked graveyard shifts so I would take time to get my mother out of her home and our minds off his death. We started looking at classical musclecars since I was always looking for my dream car a 68, 69 or 70 GTO. One night while searching the internet I came across a 1969 GTO at Park Place LTD. There were quite a few pictures of the car. Their advertiment said it was a numbers matching 1969 GTO. Triple black, 400 CI, 4 speed with $40.000.00 in receipts for off frame restoration. The asking price was $80,000.00. I took a couple of days to think about the car and if I wanted to spend that much for the car. Being a retired career soldier with 30 years of service the car would be my retirement present to myself. After a couple of days I went to Park Place LTD with my mother to look at the car. My first reaction was I want this car. It was that nice. I spoke with one of the floor sales person who took me that the previous owner had died of cancer. That his wife was selling his stable of collector cars. I made an offer on the car of $35K based on my years of being in the hobby of being a car buff. My gut told me to stand my ground on the price. Something was not ringing true with the sales person. He kept running to his bosses office to discuss "things". The sales person kept telling me that the widow wouldn't lower the asking price of the car. I left my contact number and asked them to contact me if she changed her mind. I followed the GTO on the internet as the price started falling very quickly. At one point it dropped to $50K and I discussed purchasing the GTO with my wife. We agreed on the price that we would give for the car. Being retired military we are not rich. Once again I took my mother with me to Park Place LTD. Once again a sales person intercepted us at the door. I gave him my offer of $30K for the GTO. He spent three and half hours running between me and his boss trying to bring my price up. We finally agreed on $30K plus sells tax. I asked for the car to be put in a maintenance bay witha hoist so I could inspect it.  I was impressed by what I saw when I inspected the GTO. I purchased the GTO and took her home. As the weeks and months went by I found lots of stuff that had been hidden with paint and polish. My numbers matching GTO started out as an espresso brown exterior car with tan interior with an automatic transmission. Now it was painted black, with black interior with a four speed. Okay quite a upgrade but not the numbers matching car they advertised about the car. The engine and transmission both had to be rebuilt within months of me purchasing the GTO. I have had to completely rewire the entire car. Still have to reseal the front and back windshields. Wish I had taken more time that afternoon inspecting the GTO. Bottom line....I was sold a car that was nothing I was told and it will take several years to get it in shape. Money I didn't plan on putting in a car. These guys are crooks.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW. I thought that I was one of a few people that has had a bad fiancial experience with this business. In March 2007 my brother passed away. I worked graveyard shifts so I would take time to get my mother out of her home and our minds off his death. We started looking at classical musclecars since I was always looking for my dream car a 68, 69 or 70 GTO. One night while searching the internet I came across a 1969 GTO at Park Place LTD. There were quite a few pictures of the car. Their advertiment said it was a numbers matching 1969 GTO. Triple black, 400 CI, 4 speed with $40.000.00 in receipts for off frame restoration. The asking price was $80,000.00. I took a couple of days to think about the car and if I wanted to spend that much for the car. Being a retired career soldier with 30 years of service the car would be my retirement present to myself. After a couple of days I went to Park Place LTD with my mother to look at the car. My first reaction was I want this car. It was that nice. I spoke with one of the floor sales person who took me that the previous owner had died of cancer. That his wife was selling his stable of collector cars. I made an offer on the car of $35K based on my years of being in the hobby of being a car buff. My gut told me to stand my ground on the price. Something was not ringing true with the sales person. He kept running to his bosses office to discuss &#8220;things&#8221;. The sales person kept telling me that the widow wouldn&#8217;t lower the asking price of the car. I left my contact number and asked them to contact me if she changed her mind. I followed the GTO on the internet as the price started falling very quickly. At one point it dropped to $50K and I discussed purchasing the GTO with my wife. We agreed on the price that we would give for the car. Being retired military we are not rich. Once again I took my mother with me to Park Place LTD. Once again a sales person intercepted us at the door. I gave him my offer of $30K for the GTO. He spent three and half hours running between me and his boss trying to bring my price up. We finally agreed on $30K plus sells tax. I asked for the car to be put in a maintenance bay witha hoist so I could inspect it.  I was impressed by what I saw when I inspected the GTO. I purchased the GTO and took her home. As the weeks and months went by I found lots of stuff that had been hidden with paint and polish. My numbers matching GTO started out as an espresso brown exterior car with tan interior with an automatic transmission. Now it was painted black, with black interior with a four speed. Okay quite a upgrade but not the numbers matching car they advertised about the car. The engine and transmission both had to be rebuilt within months of me purchasing the GTO. I have had to completely rewire the entire car. Still have to reseal the front and back windshields. Wish I had taken more time that afternoon inspecting the GTO. Bottom line&#8230;.I was sold a car that was nothing I was told and it will take several years to get it in shape. Money I didn&#8217;t plan on putting in a car. These guys are crooks&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Experience with Park Place Motors LTD by The Anti-Stuey</title>
		<link>http://parkplaceproblems.com/?p=5#comment-493</link>
		<author>The Anti-Stuey</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://parkplaceproblems.com/?p=5#comment-493</guid>
		<description>While I won't go into specifics on MY situation with Park Place, I can tell you that I am in the exact same boat as everyone else here.

If you're a company selling high-end items (and extremely high-priced), it should be in your best interest to foster the best possible relationships and rapport. Park Place is very lucky to be located in an area with a great percentage of high-income professionals, but a community that's still small enough for word to get around. 

And a quick reference to Stuey: It's quite possible that many of the people who've posted here have Washington educations, but let me remind you of a few things ...

1) Bill Gates does not have a college degree. Does that change the way you think about Microsoft? It doesn't mean a thing to me. Microsoft has not suffered from this.

2) Your post is an ad hominem argument.  If you have to argue here, make sure that your points are limited to the topic and NOT against people themselves. That's an invalid argument and I'm actually quite surprised you didn't know that or would choose to ignore that considering your clearly superior educational background.  :) 

3) Who cares where we all went to school.  Let's get back on point ... when someone is spending a LOT of money on something and putting trust in someone's word, it's critical that the company be ethical and provide full disclosure.  

Coming back around to my opinion on Park Place, I think what is clearly needed here is a company that's willing to fully disclose things even if that means losing a sale.  If someone would've told me the truth, I would've RESPECTED them and I probably would've come back for another sale. 

Keeping critical information from someone will NEVER foster long-term relationships. I don't care how nice they are in the beginning. You can smile and offer all of the free junk you want, if we find you were lying or withholding information, no one will come back. People won't REFER your business to others.  People won't respect you. And I do believe referrals are a big part of your business. 

If you want to argue that - so be it. I would relish the opportunity to hear opinions that support that kind of business.

When I read over all of these posts, it overwhelmingly sounds like Park Place is a black hole for business ethics.  I'm not happy to say that. I think they carry some amazing products that, obviously, we all want. I'm speaking strictly of their consignment autos and abilities to broker a deal. Rather than sending their employees here for a rebuttal, they should simply decide to be honest and ethical and fully disclose important details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I won&#8217;t go into specifics on MY situation with Park Place, I can tell you that I am in the exact same boat as everyone else here.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re a company selling high-end items (and extremely high-priced), it should be in your best interest to foster the best possible relationships and rapport. Park Place is very lucky to be located in an area with a great percentage of high-income professionals, but a community that&#8217;s still small enough for word to get around. </p>
<p>And a quick reference to Stuey: It&#8217;s quite possible that many of the people who&#8217;ve posted here have Washington educations, but let me remind you of a few things &#8230;</p>
<p>1) Bill Gates does not have a college degree. Does that change the way you think about Microsoft? It doesn&#8217;t mean a thing to me. Microsoft has not suffered from this.</p>
<p>2) Your post is an ad hominem argument.  If you have to argue here, make sure that your points are limited to the topic and NOT against people themselves. That&#8217;s an invalid argument and I&#8217;m actually quite surprised you didn&#8217;t know that or would choose to ignore that considering your clearly superior educational background.  <img src='http://parkplaceproblems.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>3) Who cares where we all went to school.  Let&#8217;s get back on point &#8230; when someone is spending a LOT of money on something and putting trust in someone&#8217;s word, it&#8217;s critical that the company be ethical and provide full disclosure.  </p>
<p>Coming back around to my opinion on Park Place, I think what is clearly needed here is a company that&#8217;s willing to fully disclose things even if that means losing a sale.  If someone would&#8217;ve told me the truth, I would&#8217;ve RESPECTED them and I probably would&#8217;ve come back for another sale. </p>
<p>Keeping critical information from someone will NEVER foster long-term relationships. I don&#8217;t care how nice they are in the beginning. You can smile and offer all of the free junk you want, if we find you were lying or withholding information, no one will come back. People won&#8217;t REFER your business to others.  People won&#8217;t respect you. And I do believe referrals are a big part of your business. </p>
<p>If you want to argue that - so be it. I would relish the opportunity to hear opinions that support that kind of business.</p>
<p>When I read over all of these posts, it overwhelmingly sounds like Park Place is a black hole for business ethics.  I&#8217;m not happy to say that. I think they carry some amazing products that, obviously, we all want. I&#8217;m speaking strictly of their consignment autos and abilities to broker a deal. Rather than sending their employees here for a rebuttal, they should simply decide to be honest and ethical and fully disclose important details.</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Experience with Park Place Motors LTD by Wacky Tabacky</title>
		<link>http://parkplaceproblems.com/?p=5#comment-489</link>
		<author>Wacky Tabacky</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 23:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://parkplaceproblems.com/?p=5#comment-489</guid>
		<description>I have bought three car's from dark place and am surprised they are still in business....The place smells of bad energy.  They really take car of the customer....they will even give you a big bonus.  Buy a car and bend over and they bone us...

I have had two cars serviced in there service dept...and one modified over at car nutz. The car nutz guys are decent as long as nothing goes wrong with the car they work on then the tell you caveat emptour....they f-d up a car I brought over for some fog lights and sent over to service for general maintenence.  The car ran on three of six pistons. When I brought it back it turned out they broke one of the ignition leads and it was arcing the motor! They fixed the problem but a peice of the engine bay was left off the car. :(

I do not recomend buying a car here as the whole sales experience is a nightmare...I should know I bought three car's from them. One sales man in particular is a total scum bag and con man. Rene the Mr. Canuck Bucks from canada. I bought one car from him then I tried to come in and buy another and he kept steering me to a car I did not even want to buy (which was on the lot for at the time 4 months and is still on the lot) I eventually bought the car I wanted came back and traded it in on another and his smart ass comment was that he told me that was not the car for me...or something to that effect.

In summary steer clear of this dealer or any of there affliated business's with the reputation they have developed customer's are starting to become aware of the inevetable truth.

Remember it is not depravation of character if it is proven to be true!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have bought three car&#8217;s from dark place and am surprised they are still in business&#8230;.The place smells of bad energy.  They really take car of the customer&#8230;.they will even give you a big bonus.  Buy a car and bend over and they bone us&#8230;</p>
<p>I have had two cars serviced in there service dept&#8230;and one modified over at car nutz. The car nutz guys are decent as long as nothing goes wrong with the car they work on then the tell you caveat emptour&#8230;.they f-d up a car I brought over for some fog lights and sent over to service for general maintenence.  The car ran on three of six pistons. When I brought it back it turned out they broke one of the ignition leads and it was arcing the motor! They fixed the problem but a peice of the engine bay was left off the car. <img src='http://parkplaceproblems.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I do not recomend buying a car here as the whole sales experience is a nightmare&#8230;I should know I bought three car&#8217;s from them. One sales man in particular is a total scum bag and con man. Rene the Mr. Canuck Bucks from canada. I bought one car from him then I tried to come in and buy another and he kept steering me to a car I did not even want to buy (which was on the lot for at the time 4 months and is still on the lot) I eventually bought the car I wanted came back and traded it in on another and his smart ass comment was that he told me that was not the car for me&#8230;or something to that effect.</p>
<p>In summary steer clear of this dealer or any of there affliated business&#8217;s with the reputation they have developed customer&#8217;s are starting to become aware of the inevetable truth.</p>
<p>Remember it is not depravation of character if it is proven to be true!</p>
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